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More WMD On the Way?

Meet the new boss...the same as the old boss.

A bi-partisan congressional pannel reported it's findings today to Vice President Elect Joe Biden regarding the likelyhood of a Weapons of Mass Destruction attack occuring within U.S. Borders by 2013.

Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Where have I heard that before?

Oh that's right...as a false pretext to committ a war of aggression, that Americans by and large say they would have preferred not to have been drawn into by such a false pretext.

Well our Intelligence Community appears to have gotten it wrong that there were any Weapons of Mass Destruction in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

Yet now we are to believe a bi-partisan congressional pannel has gotten their conclusions right regarding not just Weapons of Mass Destruction but when and by whom they might be used on us!

STOP! ENOUGH ALREADY!

Americans are tired of living in this false state of contrived fear.

The last administration was about seeking out Weapons of Mass Destruction abroad...this one is going to be about asking us to give up even more rights and to continue to live in an ever growing Police State to protect us from the phantom of imaginary attacks from terrorists using once again ...Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Am I the only American sick of this nonsense?

Am I the only American who thinks it's foolish for the people in the land of the free and the brave to keep giving up their constitutional rights to walk around 24/7, 365 days a year decade after decade in an induced state of fear?

I hope not...

Wake up America!

My question is when will Americans wake up to this charade?



December 02, 2008 Associated Press



WASHINGTON - The United States can expect a terrorist attack using nuclear or more likely biological weapons before 2013, reports a bipartisan commission in a study being briefed Tuesday to Vice President-elect Joe Biden. It suggests the Obama administration bolster efforts to counter and prepare for germ warfare by terrorists.
"Our margin of safety is shrinking, not growing," states the report, obtained by The Associated Press. It is scheduled to be publicly released Wednesday.
The commission is also encouraging the new White House to appoint one official on the National Security Council to exclusively coordinate U.S. intelligence and foreign policy on combating the spread of nuclear and biological weapons.
The report of the Commission on the Prevention of WMD Proliferation and Terrorism, led by former Sens. Bob Graham of Florida and Jim Talent of Missouri, acknowledges that terrorist groups still lack the needed scientific and technical ability to make weapons out of pathogens or nuclear bombs. But it warns that gap can be easily overcome, if terrorists find scientists willing to share or sell their know-how.
"The United States should be less concerned that terrorists will become biologists and far more concerned that biologists will become terrorists," the report states.
The commission believes biological weapons are more likely to be obtained and used before nuclear or radioactive weapons because nuclear facilities are more carefully guarded. Civilian laboratories with potentially dangerous pathogens abound, however, and could easily be compromised.
"The biological threat is greater than the nuclear; the acquisition of deadly pathogens, and their weaponization and dissemination in aerosol form, would entail fewer technical hurdles than the theft or production of weapons-grade uranium or plutonium and its assembly into an improvised nuclear device," states the report.
It notes that the U.S. government's counterproliferation activities have been geared toward preventing nuclear terrorism. The commission recommends the prevention of biological terrorism be made a higher priority.
Study chairman Graham said anthrax remains the most likely biological weapon. However, he told the AP that contagious diseases - like the flu strain that killed 40 million at the beginning of the 20th century - are looming threats. That virus has been recreated in scientific labs, and there remains no inoculation to protect against it if is stolen and released.
Graham said the threat of a terrorist attack using nuclear or biological weapons is growing "not because we have not done positive things but because adversaries are moving at an even faster pace to increase their access" to those materials.
He noted last week's rampage by a small group of gunmen in Mumbai.
"If those people had had access to a biological or nuclear weapon they would have multiplied by orders of magnitude the deaths they could have inflicted," he said.
Al-Qaida remains the only terrorist group judged to be actively intent on conducting a nuclear attack against the United States, the report notes. It is not yet capable of building such a weapon and has yet to obtain one. But that could change if a nuclear weapons engineer or scientist were recruited to al-Qaida's cause, the report warns.
The report says the potential nexus of terrorism, nuclear and biological weapons is especially acute in Pakistan.
"Were one to map terrorism and weapons of mass destruction today, all roads would intersect in Pakistan," the report states.
In fact, commission members were forced to cancel their trip to Pakistan this fall. The Islamabad Marriott Hotel that commission members were to stay in was blown up by terrorist bombs just hours before they were to check in.
"We think time is not our ally. The (United States) needs to move with a sense of urgency," Graham said.


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morethan1, your logic doesn’t wash. First, some facts you should be aware of, but seem not to be.
1. Everyone, including all Western Intelligence Agency’s [including the ones who did not support US involvement], believed that Saddam was trying to get a nuclear weapon, and already had chemical and biological weapons [after all, he had killed many with nerve gas already]. The lying, if that occurred, was in inflating the evidence. We have found out since, from Saddam, that he intended to make Iran think he had all these weapons [he succeeded too well].
2. To assume that, because one administration or group was lying, that the next is lying, is not logical. There is no cause and effect here. The next administration may be lying or may be telling the truth. What Bush did or did not do has no bearing.
3. Do you really think that the folks who bombed the Marine Barracks, attacked the Cole, blew up the embassy, and destroyed the Twin Towers, would not use them against us if they could get them?
4. Do you believe that Pakistan [with nuclear weapons and a history of leaking nuclear secrets], Korea [with a similar history], the dissolved Soviet Union with many out of work Military and Scientific folk who have the know how, and perhaps the access to nuclear, chemical, and biological information and materials, and Iran who [and just about the whole world believes that they are trying to develop a nuclear bomb] are near [estimates range from 10 months to 7 years] achieving their nuclear objectives, pose no threat to the US [by giving or selling or using WMD’s]?
5. Do you believe that you have enough information to declare that it is a “false state of contrived fear,” that the possible attacks are “imaginary,” that this is all “nonsense,” that to be aware of the risks is “foolish,” and that this is a “charade” [one that gets both democrat and republican, both liberal and conservative, both religious and atheist to come together to betray the American People?
6. Are you so sure, that you will risk the lives of your parents, your lover, your siblings, your children, your friends, and yourself. Are you so desperate, so in denial, and so evil?

Posted 2008-12-02T19:41:46Z
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To assume that, because one administration or group was lying, that the next is lying, is not logical. There is no cause and effect here. The next administration may be lying or may be telling the truth. What Bush did or did not do has no bearing.

About as logical to assume the opposite as you appear to be. Precedent...law of averages, do some math.

Everyone, including all Western Intelligence Agency’s [including the ones who did not support US involvement], believed that Saddam was trying to get a nuclear weapon, and already had chemical and biological weapons [after all, he had killed many with nerve gas already]. The lying, if that occurred, was in inflating the evidence. We have found out since, from Saddam, that he intended to make Iran think he had all these weapons [he succeeded too well].

Everyone is trying to get nuclear weapons can you blame them? Several nations do have them. The logic is neither here nor there. No one has the capability to deliver them across the Atlantic or the Pacific and to penetrate our actual defensive sheild. This was Zionist intervention again to agitate for a hedgemony their sheer numbers will never allow them to maintain without our blackmailed gained aid.

Do you really think that the folks who bombed the Marine Barracks, attacked the Cole, blew up the embassy, and destroyed the Twin Towers, would not use them against us if they could get them?

The United States is currently seeking to enhance India's nuclear status despite it not being a signatory to the non-proliferation treaties, in part to offset Russia doing the same with Iran. Pakistan and India have been fighting over Kashmir for over a half a century. That change in India's status is what prompted Mombai.

Watch the limited film archives of 911 and while you are at it the Lunar Landing, your military industrial complex chooses to do some strange things from time to time to carry out it's agenda and reach it's goals.

Do you believe that Pakistan [with nuclear weapons and a history of leaking nuclear secrets], Korea [with a similar history], the dissolved Soviet Union with many out of work Military and Scientific folk who have the know how, and perhaps the access to nuclear, chemical, and biological information and materials, and Iran who [and just about the whole world believes that they are trying to develop a nuclear bomb] are near [estimates range from 10 months to 7 years] achieving their nuclear objectives, pose no threat to the US [by giving or selling or using WMD’s]?

LOL pose a threat to us. A satellite could tell the folks at Fort Meade what you are typing on your computer...HAARP can destroy any incoming missle and obliterate a country without firing one with no way for them to defend against it. This is not about protecting the population its about weening the population.

Do you believe that you have enough information to declare that it is a “false state of contrived fear,” that the possible attacks are “imaginary,” that this is all “nonsense,” that to be aware of the risks is “foolish,” and that this is a “charade” [one that gets both democrat and republican, both liberal and conservative, both religious and atheist to come together to betray the American People?

I am certain that not only is the war on terror a mass manipulation to erode the constitutional sanctity of the United States of America but that the current world wide economic crisis is as well. History simply repeats itself while the ignorant deny it could be happening again, again and again as it happens again and again.

Are you so sure, that you will risk the lives of your parents, your lover, your siblings, your children, your friends, and yourself. Are you so desperate, so in denial, and so evil?

What is a parent a lover, a brother and sister, children and friends? People whose love for we develop based on their own unique view and interaction with the universe.

They cease becoming unique in an homogenous brain washed mind controlled state of totalitarian rule carried out in the name of security. Not only do they loose their individual right to self determination, freedom, privacy and the permissive means to develop their own charachter they are enslaved to a form of economic endentured servitude that negates any chance of knowing the true potential of their gift of life.

FACT: Your Forefathers would not have voted for the Patriot Act or Homeland Security Act.

FACT: Your Forefathers would not have voted for FISA

FACT: Your Forefathers would not have accepted a Central Reserve Bank fuded by private interests that could own your government and hold it hostage or manipulate the kind of economic conditions we now endure.

FACT: Your forefathers would not have allowed any foreign power including Zionists to manipulate our foreign policy into carrying out wars of aggression that primarily benefit those other nations and not ours.

I care a lot more about my freedom and the lives of people I love and hold dear than any 1000 men in Washington D.C. do.

America needs to wake up and learn what is really going on in the world between X-box games, Football Sundays, their 40 hour work weeks in their dissapearing jobs and industry and soccer practices. Your way of life is being destroyed right in front of you and if you are so foolish to believe that a man named Barack Hussein Obama is going to restore America so you can safely continue to live in this blissful state of innocense and denial at the comfort level you have come accustomed to you are sadly mistaken. Wake up and look around its all most already completely gone.

 

 




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Change heart
Change life
   

We know that the US, India and israel are in the firing line of the Al-Quaida for a reason which is religion based not exactly political. Iraq was secular under Saddam but bentupon destroying Israel.

Unless Pakistan is sternly dealth with and sanitised of nuclear weapons there is always a chance of reaching it in the hands of terrorists. But who will deal with Pakistan? Pakistan is supported by the Chinese in their development of WMD.

It seems the world is going soft on Iran which as everyone is aware a religiously extremist nation which wants to destroy Israel and Rome.

Time is running out for the freeworld to deal with these two great threats of Pakistan and Iran.

As an immediate solution to the threat by WMD in countries like US, India and Israel, top most priority to internal security is the only way

All options should be open and on the table in dealing with Pakistan (rather Pakistan based terror groups) and Iran. 

   

Posted 2008-12-03T02:17:54Z
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Here is a great option for you. It's called launch a U.S. Nuclear Strike on Israel...end of problem. We had no problem in the Middle East until the creation of Israel. I am an American and not an Israeli. I am an American and America was founded on seperation of Church and State. Someone, anyone has yet to explain to me why American tax dollars are being spent to ensure and insure a foreign nation founded on principals that are unconstitutional?

Someone has yet to explain to me when we can storm the sands from Iwo Jima to the shores of Tripoli yet why it is we have to walk around in our own country like we are afraid, looking over our shoulders for boogeymen and treated like common criminals because LOL there are bad people in the world?

I haven't gotten on an airplane since 911. Not because I am afraid to fly, because I have too much dignity to go through the humiliating process of being treated suspect for being a consumer and a traveler. What self respecting person would tolerate that in the name of fear?

An other Israeli solution to their terrorist problem born of their bad decisions and their bad mistakes, designed to make us cower and fear for their plight.

Screw their plight. Tell them to give some real land to the people they displaced like we did with native Americans, give them real autonomy on it and set up a real economy for them and they won't have a terrorist problem if they follow things like due process and equal rights.

I am an American citizen and as such my religious denomination nor any of our allies or enemies religious denominations should matter. It's one of our most basic and important founding principals it's called Seperation of Church and State.

We were founded on seperation of Church and State so our Government would not use religion as a tyranical tool like the state of Israel does against non-Jewish citizens.

News flash being anti-Semitic is not the same thing as being not pro-Israel, just like not voting or supporting Barack Obama is not the same thing as being racist.

Israelis are racist. Americans are not. We have equal rights, due process, for ALL citizens.

I am tired of Israel and it's short sighted arrogance and Zionist propoganda effecting the quality of life in the United States of America and their constant meddling in our political process.

They want to live over there and run their nation like a Nazi Government fine, let them do it with their own money and provide their own security.

We had no...REPEAT WE HAD NO...PROBLEM with TERRORISM until the establishment of Israel and a never ending parade of Jewish American extorsion through the medias they control and own to manipulate politicians and public oppinion to their own corrupt and unconstitutional foreign ends.

We have the technology to knock any missle out of the sky aimed at the United States of America, we have not one thing to fear from any conventional armed force and we would have nothing to fear from terrorists if our one sided biased  towards a perpetually in violation of Human Rights Israel ceased being so biased.

You my friend are either an American or an Israeli. If you are an Israeli I owe you nothing, you on the other hand owe our government trillions of dollars in aide we have rendered you. Pay up or shut up please, and paying up only means we are close to even, not that we owe you anything.

If you are an American, then learn to love your constitution including the part SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

We have a terrorism problem because of Israel not because of Islam.

Posted 2008-12-03T02:36:34Z
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Morethan1--There you go again.
About as logical to assume the opposite as you appear to be. Precedent...law of averages, do some math.
I make no assumptions---from my post find one. I would suggest you get a reliable text on Game Theory or statistics or even elementary probability. Your assumptions about the “law of averages” display a lack of mathematical knowledge.
No one has the capability to deliver them across the Atlantic or the Pacific and to penetrate our actual defensive shield.
We have no defense shield against missile attack. Our deterrent has been the threat of immediate response [MAD mutually assured destruction]. More to the point, with our miles and miles of unprotected coast, porous borders, and ineffective inspection of cargo, it would be easy to bring into the country the makings of a bomb. [for those who don’t know, a uranium bomb is rather easy to make if you have enough fissionable material. More if you don’t have to worry about size [putting it on a missile or carrying it in a plane], it is even simpler. One man could carry enough material across the border in a couple of suitcases [not even heavy ones] to blow up the largest American city. Sure he would have to acquire explosives here [not at all hard to do], some metal work, a detonator [nothing special], a little training, and a few weeks to do the work. We are not safe.
This was Zionist intervention
I also note your anti-Semitism coming out.
Your rant about India and Russia and the Lunar Landing have no relationship to the original question and my answer. And of course you are still tied up in outdated issues of “incoming missiles.” You obviously have no idea of the capabilities of HAARP or the ability of satellite surveillance. Most of our intercepted electronic communications are from NSA ground sites. Do your homework.
I am certain that not only is the war on terror a mass manipulation to erode the constitutional sanctity of the United States of America but that the current world wide economic crisis is as well. History simply repeats itself while the ignorant deny it could be happening again, again and again as it happens again and again.
So you believe that …who attacked us repeatedly…our government? Show me your proof. You obviously believe that we have destroyed trillions of dollars of wealth… for what. Show me who gains, show me the value they would get, tell me who in government would do this. Show me your evidence.
 
 
 
“What is a parent a lover, a brother and sister, children and friends?”
I guess that explains it.
 
FACT: Your Forefathers would not have voted for the Patriot Act or Homeland Security Act.
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant?
FACT: Your Forefathers would not have voted for FISA
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant?
FACT: Your Forefathers would not have accepted a Central Reserve Bank funded by private interests that could own your government and hold it hostage or manipulate the kind of economic conditions we now endure.
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant?
FACT: Your forefathers would not have allowed any foreign power including Zionists to manipulate our foreign policy into carrying out wars of aggression that primarily benefit those other nations and not ours.
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant? And again I find your anti-Semitism offensive.
I care a lot more about my freedom and the lives of people I love and hold dear than any 1000 men in Washington D.C. do.
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant?
America needs to wake up and learn what is really going on in the world between X-box games, Football Sundays, their 40 hour work weeks in their disappearing jobs and industry and soccer practices. Your way of life is being destroyed right in front of you and if you are so foolish to believe that a man named Barack Hussein Obama is going to restore America so you can safely continue to live in this blissful state of innocence and denial at the comfort level you have come accustomed to you are sadly mistaken. Wake up and look around its all most already completely gone.
And how does that effect the answer to your question. How is that relevant?

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If the Pen is Mightier than the Sword.... How Lethal is an E-Mail ?

Iraq was obliterated because of Western PARANOIA....What If...

Do you think the Iraqi people (Counting all the Deceased ones too) are nodding their Heads Saying "Thank God America is safe....We may have suffered, lost loved ones, our economy, our oil.... But at least now they now we werent a threat".

Who's next Gollum ? Who are you Going to destroy through Paranoia next..? Remember you have got to protect your Precious (Oil) whatever the cost!

Rest assured You can change your reasons for going to war as time goes by.....or if you use stronger nuclear weapons (stronger than to the ones you used in Iraq and Afghanistan) You can simply say, "OOPS WE SEEMED TO HAVE DESTROYED THE EVIDENCE".

Posted 2008-12-03T05:26:48Z
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"ONE NATION or GOD"??????  Make up your mind America!!!

Morethan1,

Am I the only American sick of this nonsense?

No you are not....but you do seem to be the only one on this website with real information.  Please keep the truth coming!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 2008-12-03T05:30:26Z
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The lowest servant in Heaven is still in Heaven.

Whoever rules in hell is still in hell, but they won't rule for long.

Morethanone, you raise a thoroughly disturbing issue: strategic and tactical special weapons.  These come in three PRIMARY modalities: nuclear, biological, chemical (NBC).  There are other modalities but let's not discuss potentially classified material on this board. 

These weapons are not hard for even a poorly funded nation to manufacture.  There have been a frightening number of "backyard" and "basement" weapons made in America, Britain, Canada, Mexico, and 110 less "civilized" nations.

What did they have in common?

1.  Disgruntled or dissonant citizens with average intelligence and a sufficient grudge to spend months on the Internet, finding nasty things to do to LOTS of other people.

2.  Socially inept persons who had a score to settle against "the establishment" or some other "generalized outer entity" whether that "entity" existed or not.  Often they just acted out hostility they learned in school.

3.  Persons who demanded "A sense of empowerment." 

4.  Others who are so far out of their minds I don't even want to think about them. 

It is in no way difficult to manufacture big nasty weapons.  Timothy McVeigh didn't need the backing of the Department of Energy or Sandia National Laboratories.  Nor does any other nut case.  These dangerous morons are all too glad to go out in a blaze of glory. 

In the case of nations, the sad but very real fact is that the only reason they do not do something stupid is the very real threat of immediate and overwhelming retaliation.

Mutual Assured Destruction?  MAD is the word!  But the only thing any madder is to light the fuse to the rocket that carries the first weapon.

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