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Trinity United Church of Christ

Is the church that Obama belonged to a black separatist church?

No, the Trinity United Church of Christ is not a black separatist church.

Martin E. Marty, author of numerous books and articles on religion in America, Lutheran pastor from 1952 to 1962, and professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School from 1963 to 1998, explains:
 

"Trinity is the largest congregation in the whole United Church of Christ... Trinity's rubric is 'Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.' So far as I can tell Trinity shapes a kind of ellipse around these two "centers," neither of which makes sense without the other. This you would never know from the slanders of its enemies or the incomprehension and naiveté of some reporters who lack background in the civil rights and African-American movements of several decades ago -- a background out of which Trinity's stirrings first rose and on which it transformatively trades...

"To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything 'cultic' or 'sectarian' about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being 'anti-white.' My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed.


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My opinions are mine.  Surprised

Laughing  You can call me girl any old day!  My son calls me "old girl".  LOL

Tippy, I am not as religious as you are.  I believe in God and live my life like I feel He would want me to but I don't go to church and am pretty quiet when it comes to talking religion.  I feel God in where I want him to be.  I do not let any religious groups tell me how I feel or think or how I should vote or live my life.  They did not raise my children and they did not dictate to me how many I should have.

I will add here that I was protestant, turned Catholic only to have the priest run off with one of the nuns.  Embarassed 

Obama's church would not have been my church but that is personal choice.  But people lumped all of Rev Wright's good work for years into a couple sound bites that were political.  I doubt, yet, if anyone heard the entire sermon leading up to those remarks.  But Obama is no more responsible for those remarks than I am for my priest running off with the nun.

But I would not have gone to Sarah Palin's church for 5 minutes either.  As soon as someone starting talking to me in tongues, I'd have dove thru a window. 

I am also not into laying your hand on someones head, they fall on the floor and are "healed."

But Church and State should be separated.  Politics does not belong on the pulpit and religion does not need to dictate how the government is run.  Ministers should do what they are intended to do, which is teach the word of God, and keep their noses out of politics.

Our religious "leaders" have gone more and more political over the last few years and have forgotten what they're supposed to be doing, which is speaking of God.  Now they want to tell you how to vote.  Amazing, isn't it, when WalMart just got in trouble for trying to sway how their employees voted.

Posted 2008-09-16T15:10:17Z
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Be Blessed.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (Love), I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vauneth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seekth not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is (Love) charity.  

Carol,

Sorry that I called you girl in another question, but I still like your style.

Be Blessed.

Posted 2008-09-16T05:02:36Z
 
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Be Blessed.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (Love), I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vauneth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seekth not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is (Love) charity.  

Hi Carol,

I agree with you 100%. Preachers should not preach politics from the pulpit. I am religious and sometimes I get carried away talking about my faith but I try not to force my religion on anybody else. You are right, that church did a lot of good that you will never hear anyone talk about. That's very sad that a church's reputation was destroyed due to an election.

Be Blessed. 

Posted 2008-09-17T03:35:43Z
 
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My opinions are mine.  Surprised

Yes, it certainly is.  From what I've read, it's a very good church and has done many good things for Chicago.

Maybe some of your religion will rub off on me?  LOL

Posted 2008-09-17T04:43:51Z
 
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Be Blessed.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (Love), I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vauneth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seekth not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is (Love) charity.  

Smile Sounds like you have quite a bit already. You seem to be very wise. Wisdom comes from God.

Be Blessed.

Posted 2008-09-17T04:52:59Z
 
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My opinions are mine.  Surprised

Sure glad you didn't say wisdom comes from age or we'd be agruing with Fred that we had another reason to vote for McCain. Tongue out

Posted 2008-09-17T07:13:10Z
 
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Be Blessed.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (Love), I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vauneth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seekth not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is (Love) charity.  

Carol,

I know what you are talking about.Smile But I can argue that point, just because someone is aged doesn't mean that they are wise. We can tell that by how Mccain is running his campaign now. He has turned from honorable to dishonorable in his campaign, resorting to lies. He is taking advice from unwise and corrupt men.

Be Blessed.

Posted 2008-09-17T18:25:32Z
 

While you are busy looking at Trinity, and searching for meaningless stumblingblocks set before you by the Devil, you will fall and fail.  John the Baptist said, "Don't look at me, look at Christ".

 

Posted 2008-11-27T04:02:53Z

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