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Dum Vivo Spero

Christianity and Abortion - Can We Really Set Aside Our Morals When Convenient?


Do you believe that Catholics, and Christians in general, should be able to set aside their Christian beliefs in the case of abortion?  When we face God on our last day, will He accept that we thought it wasn't our business to protect an unborn child from death because it was deemed an "issue of privacy?"  See the article below about Pelosi's visit with the Pope and let's discuss this topic.
Catholic legislators must protect life, pope tells Speaker Pelosi


From Wire Reports -- Pope Benedict XVI met privately with U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the House of Representatives, and instructed her that all Catholics, especially those who are lawmakers, must work to protect human life at every stage.


     Pelosi, a Catholic Democrat from California, has been criticized by many Catholics for her support for keeping abortion legal.  


"His Holiness took the opportunity to speak o f the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of hu man life from conception to natural death," the Vatican said in a statement about the Feb. 18 meeting.


     Natural law and the Church's own teaching require "all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development," the statement said.


     Pelosi was making an official visit to Italy to meet members of the U.S. military stationed in the country and to discuss common security concerns with Italian government leaders.


     Her 15-minute meeting with Pope Benedict took place in a small room in the Vatican audience hall after the pope's weekly general audience.   Contrary to normal Vatican practice, neither the press nor photographers were allowed in the audience.


     In a statement released by her staff, Pelosi failed to mention any reference to abortion in her conversation with the Pontiff, saying instead, "In our conversation, I had the opportunity to praise the Church's leadership in fighting poverty, hunger and global warming, as well as the Holy Father's dedication to religious freedom and his upcoming trip and message to Israel." The papal trip is scheduled for the second week of May.


     The Speaker of the House has made no effort to hide her belief that abortion must remain legal and available in the United States and in an affront to the more than 100,000 Catholics who marched for life in Washington, D.C., on January 22nd, Pelosi issued a statement that same day which read in part:  "I will work with President Obama, as I have worked throughout my entire career, to ensure a woman's right to choose.


     "Decisions about whether to have a child do not and should not rest with the government. We believe a woman -- in consultation with her family, her physician and her faith -- is best qualified to make that decision," Pelosi said, evidently not catching the irony of her personal failure to consi der what her faith teaches regarding the=2 0right to life. 


     As a practicing Catholic and a public opponent of efforts to make abortion illegal, Pelosi has come under sharp criticism by bishops and outraged Catholics who believe that a politician who supports legalized abortion should not be allowed to receive Communion.  In particular  Pelosi angered many Catholics last August when she erroneously told the television program "Meet the Press" that for centuries Church leaders had not been able to agree on when life begins.  


    "We don't know" when life begins, she told interviewer Tom Brokaw,  "I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this," she said.   


     The truth, of course, is that the Church "has affirmed the moral evil of every abortion" since the first century, as Cardinal Justin Rigali of Philadelphia and Bishop William E. Lori of Bridgeport, Conn. reminded her in a statement released at the time.  "The teaching has not changed and remains20unchangeable: direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law," their statement read.  


     Bishop Slattery corrected Speaker Pelosi’s erroneous belief that the Church’s position on human life has been inconsistent in a letter which was sent to every parish and published as well on the internet.  When later in the campaign, the then-Vice Presidential nominee, Joe Biden, tried to argue that the question of abortion belongs to the private realm of faith, rather than to the common realm of natural law and the public arena of rights and responsibilities, Bishop Slattery purchased a three-quarters’ page ad in the Tulsa World to correct the confusion caused by Speaker Pelosi and now-Vice-President Biden’s erroneous statements concerning the Church’s consistent pro-life ethic and her opposition to abortion.


Untroubled by her refusal to work with other legislators to protect the right of the unborn to life, Pelosi claimed in an April teleconference with Catholic News Service and other media representatives that she has “a sort of serenity" about receiving Communion.


     "The Church sees it another way, and I respect that," she said, adding, that she hoped the U.S. bishops would not use the refusal of holy Communion as a way of punishing Catholic politicians who promote abortion.


     "Think of that word Communion, that which brings us all together as Christians, as Catholics," Pelosi said. Denying a Catholic the Eucharist "would be something that would shatter that union," she said, with obvious indifference to the fact that she herself has placed that union in jeopardy by her consistent refusal to adhere to or promote the moral teaching of the Church.


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Pelosi is an assclown. That about covers it.

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One can search every facet of the Universe, but unless one carries that which one is searching for with them, they find it not.

 


Abortion is used to murder and usually without justifiable reason, this is unaccepted in all religions that I know of. Here I speak of abortion with a Christian mind set.
A person who has asked Christ into their heart is one who is willing to accept the will of God. In accepting Christ we are accepting forgiveness of our past sins, forgiving ourselves from are own condemnation and acquitting ourselves from past guilt. Being justified by Christ we are allowed communion with God. So it is that Christ in me does not sin, for of myself I can do nothing, but with Christ in me the will of God is known. Christ in you does not sin, does not steal, does not murder. If you are truly a Christian with the mind of Christ then you can truly understand that murder is not the will of God. Thinking with the ego of this world one is able to rationalize that lift is right and right is wrong, but the truth does not hide. All Catholic’s are not Christians.
Murder is a sin and should be against the law, that is not to say that there may be cases that abortion is necessary to save a persons life, but even this does not change the law, but the argument of it being justifiable murder arises. And this should be addressed by a sensitive court of justice. Abortion of itself is only an operation, murder is against the law.

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Yes, abortion is murder. Agreed. And, unfortunately, everyone who claims Christianity (Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Non-Denomination, etc.) is not always a true Christian. I think that Jesus even said it is better to be one of no faith at all than to be "lukewarm." Pelosi is one of the WORST examples of the Catholic faith. She does what SHE wants and rarely, if ever, follows God and the Church. It sickens me. As a Catholic who must continually clarify our faith and at times, correct misconceptions, I am extremely upset by public Catholics such as her. A true Catholic is of Christ and follows God's Will. A true Catholdic KNOWS that life begins at conception and is to be respected until natural death. It's quite frustrating to watch all this happen.

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Poor is an attitude, Broke is a temporary situation.....UNLESS THIS MORON TAKES THE REST OF OUR HARD EARNED MONEY.  There is no such thing as freedom of choice, babies NEVER choose to die.

Abortion is murder....pure and simple.  Let me see, if a man kills a woman who is pregnant, he usually gets charged with 2 murders.  Our laws are so twisted in this country.  The next thing that will happen is they will decide to eliminate the elderly because they are a burden on society.  If you don't want to get pregnant either abstain which is what you are supposed to be doing until marriage or face the music 9 months later when the baby is born.  It does not give you the right to take an innocent life.  RAPE, INCEST......or Accident, it doesn't matter, it is still a child.  GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION.  If you don't want to face the music, keep your legs closed and say NO, NO, NO.  If you should choose abortion, then you need to go to the back alley and do it like they used to.  You should at least need to have the pain that the unborn child is feeling.  SOUND HARSH?????? Tough  Truth is truth.  If you would like the scripture backing the proof life begins at conception......then I will gladly put it in another post.  Sometimes you liberals can't read too much at one time

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Poor is an attitude, Broke is a temporary situation.....UNLESS THIS MORON TAKES THE REST OF OUR HARD EARNED MONEY.  There is no such thing as freedom of choice, babies NEVER choose to die.

On another note. I can count on 10 fingers how many babies have been aborted because of the life of the mother.   It just very rarely happens.  However, the Dr's that are performing the procedure, know it is a lie.  It is just like the tests that prove it is a Downs baby or is lacking a limb......IT DOESN'T MATTER.  It is still a child.   It is more dangerous to abort a child during late statge of pregnancy.  Besides, the child could be born alive....instead they poke a hole in the base of the skull and take the brains out.....GET REAL THIS IS A LIVE HUMAN.   It might not be perfect, but it is an innocent baby. GRRRRR you got me started now......Yell

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Kathy - You are RIGHT ON POINT!!!  I'm glad I got you started, too!  Smile  Perhaps, if we get enough people worked up about this issue, then maybe we can get our legislators to rethink things, as well.  Eventually, we'll have a Supreme Court that overturns Roe v. Wade and that will be a blessed day indeed!  It is NOT a privacy issue and those that hide behind that being the case for legal abortions are just cowards who selfishly only consider themselves rather than the precious life growing within them.

I want to convey a story to you, as well.  The day I heard this, my heart just stopped and it is an absolutely perfect way to describe the issue of "What about when a woman's life is in danger" BS some people try to play...

A woman and a child are on a raft in the middle of the ocean.  They've been stranded for days and only have enough food for one of them to survive until they are able to reach land.  Given this scenario, do you suppose the woman would be justified in throwing the child overboard in order that she may live? 

Simple, yet powerful.  Let's not forget the times that doctors tell you the child will not carry to full term or that you will die trying to carry it to full term and yet, you are able to give birth to a child while you BOTH survive.  Yes, doctors can be wrong.  I have a friend who was told her baby was probably dead or dying inside her.  They recommended a DNC.  She refused and she now has a beautiful, 12-year old daughter. 

Is it frightening when you're faced with these scenarios?  Of course!  It is in that moment, however, that our true character is defined.  Are we selfish or are we willing to sacrifice our life for the life of another?

 

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Poor is an attitude, Broke is a temporary situation.....UNLESS THIS MORON TAKES THE REST OF OUR HARD EARNED MONEY.  There is no such thing as freedom of choice, babies NEVER choose to die.

When I was 36 and pregnant with my last child, the dr. told me that I needed to have that amnio test to see if the baby was ok and so I could abort if there was something wrong.  I looked at him and told him I would not have the test for 2 reasons.  One being the test is very dangerous to the unborn and if there was something wrong, why would I put myself through the worrying for 9 months...causing more stress on the child.  Two...if there was something wrong, I wouldn't abort anyway.  It is a child....a living breathing child.  God allowed us to get pregnant, it is up to us to protect this child at all costs.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good to do nothing" Edmund Burke

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them" Thomas Jefferson

don't be a lemming.....educate yourself and make informed decisions....

This is a great question! Already many Christians have been brainwashed by society and even thier false prophet pastors. Read the Bible God's babies are his joy and they are only on loan to us. We fail God and our faith when we turn away and allow this abomination to happen and continue. MY FRIENDS DO NOT LET ANYONE OR ANYTHING COMPROMISE YOUR MORALS!

Posted 2009-02-24T15:46:46Z
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