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Alluvial Gold with Mica

I am trying to burn off the mica attached to alluvial glod.  I am told that the mica can be incinerated.  What is the temperature needed to incinerate mica?


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I may not be Mr. Know It All, but I knew him well and he taught me much.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here, but I'm betting this will pertain to you. I live in Colorado. People come here from all over and while they are near Manitou or somewhere else where a stream runs through town, they "see" gold at the top of the sand. They grab a paper cup or a jar or whatever and scoop up a jar full of "gold". Problem is though, there is all this mica floating around with the gold. So they ask how to get the gold separated from the mica.

Now for the truth. You don't have any gold anywhere in the jar. It is all mica and that's why it was at the surface of the sand at the creek bottom. Gold is one of the heaviest metals there is. It will NEVER sit at the top of the creek bed. Gold is so heavy that it will always continue to bury itself until it reaches bedrock, even if the bedrock is 20 feet below. It will never sit at the top of the sand. So that mica you scooped up doesn't need to be burnt away from the gold because there probably isn't a single speck of actual gold in there.

To tell if you have any gold you need to take one of the suspected pieces and set a small piece of it on a hammer head. Take another hammer and lightly pound the suspected piece of gold. If this piece crushes apart it is not gold. If it crumbles in the very least it is not gold. If it flattens out and then flattens out again and again and again, then yes it is gold. You can flatten a single piece of gold continuously untill it is thinner than any paper you've ever seen. 

You don't burn things away from gold. You can put the suspected material into any pan that is flat and round. Add some water and then swirl the material around in the pan. If there is any gold it will sit right where you put it and everything else will swirl around with the water. Gold is so heavy that it will stay put, while any other material will flow with the water.

With all of this in mind, now go test the "gold" that is mixed with your mica and see if it passes all of these tests. I'm sorry that you don't have any gold. If I am wrong, then congratulations. At least now you know how to separate it from the other materials by panning it out.. Sorry if I sound harsh. I don't mean to be at all, but it is such a common recurring thing. I don't mean to hurt your feeings and I don't mean to sound uncaring. In fact I really hope I'm wrong and you have a bunch of gold. 

Posted 2009-07-24T22:57:33Z
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I am sorry that I don't know the answer to your question as we have only burned off mercury on some of our gold fines.  You might want to contact Gold Prospectors of America and see what they suggest.

Posted 2009-07-26T01:42:22Z
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I may not be Mr. Know It All, but I knew him well and he taught me much.

Word of warning. The most common cause of death of gold miners during the gold rush was being poisoned by the fumes that come off of burning mercury. That is terible dangerous, and who ever advised you to do this was playing with your life. In the future, obtain some hydrochloric acid to "burn" the mercury away from the fine gold and only do it outside. As you add the acid to the blob of mercury you will see a brown "smoke" build up in the glass (always use glass containers only when burning with acid). That brown gas is the poison that you won't see if you use fire. I have a video floating around out there somewhere that I made for the Gold Prospectors of Colorado that ended up in the GPAA library as well that shows the method, but because there is such a big fuss about mercury being so dangerous these days (so the greenies say) we are not even allowed to discuss it with people. Nobody can legally tell you or show you how to use mercury in gold prospecting any more.

I don't think GPAA will be able to provide an answer to this question because mica does not burn. It is the material that used to be used as a "window" in pot bellied stoves because unlike glass, the mica can stand extreme heat. I am a gold prospector with over 25 years of experience and I promise you the "gold" this person found is not likely to be gold at all.

Posted 2009-07-29T04:30:28Z
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To Iknowsit:  Thanks for your words of caution.  Many people are not aware of how dangerous mercury is.  We burned a very small amount, definately outside, under the guidance of someone who had been prospecting for years.  Luckily we only had a small amount of gold with mercury to burn off.  I think your information is extremely valuable for beginners and probably should be a lecture subject at all state meetings.

Posted 2009-07-29T17:38:48Z
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I don't believe that you understand the wording "alluvial gold".  I was asking about incinerating mica from the alluvium because a large refinery I spoke with told me to send them 100 troy ounces of the alluvial gold and that the first part of their assay process was to incinerate the mica components.  He will then use what he referred to as the ICP process.  I never suggested burning mercury from off of gold.  I was surprised to hear that this professional was telling me that he would first incinerate the mica since I thought that it was a substance that was heat resistant.

Also, I never suggested that I merely "scooped" up handfuls of mica supposing them to be gold.  I live in the NC Blue Ridge Mountains and certainly know what mica is.  Alluvial gold, on the other hand, is gold flakes, grains and small nuggets that are loosely combining with mica, ironstone, sand, gravel and sometimes gemstones by the movement of water or heavy winds and drenching rains.  The gold in my alluvial samples is angular (often chevron) and therefore has not been freed from its first environment for long.  I am in the process of tracing its source.

I will end by adding that the gold I am speaking of has been chemically tested and is basically 22 karats +.  The alluvial gold content is over 50%.

Thank you for your comments.  Hopefully you will learn about alluvial gold and not just stick to the concept that placer gold on bedrock is the only form that gold takes.  I have had several men who dabble in gold hunting from river beds only tell me upon seeing alluvial gold that it is not gold simply because it is not rounded nuggets worn smooth over time.  In actuality, sharp edged chevrons are usually considered to be of a higher gold standard than ones exposed to environmental degrading over the years.

Andrea

Posted 2009-08-08T12:45:56Z
 
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I may not be Mr. Know It All, but I knew him well and he taught me much.

Keep in mind that every original question brings answers that then become part of the entire discussion. I realize you id not say this or that, but subsequent responses did. Alluvial gold is not in itself a title of a certain kind of gold. Alluvial simply means that whatever material was deposited as the result of moving water and in gold's case, glacier flow. The alluviation is the deposit of the materials as the flow ends or changes. In gold prospecting we often find an alluvial fan, which as the name implies is a fan shape which has spread out from the final flow of glacial material. Perhaps I am not them person who needs to further understand the term "alluvial". Sharp angled gold is no more indicative of "alluvial" than anything else and your description that the gold has deposited by water, whether driven by weather or otherwise, does not describe alluvial. Sharp gold simply indicates that the gold has not moved far from the source. Gold being worn down does not make it "placer" gold. Placer implies simply that the gold has moved and has been worn down by surrounding materials, usually indicating that it has moved a fairly long distance. The only two "types" of gold are placer (which means it has traveled) and "lode" (which means it is embedded in host ore). I get the impression that you have been told that "alluvial" gold is some other type of gold. It is not. The fact that your gold moved from it's source makes it placer gold. As stated, alluvial simply indicates that it is found at the end of a flow, be it water in a river or glacier melt water stopping in place. 

Alluvium (from the Latin , alluvius , from alluere , "to wash against") is soil or sediments deposited by a river or other running water. Alluvium is typically made up of a variety of materials, including fine particles of silt and clay and larger particles of sand and gravel .

Had you stated you were talking about 100 troy ounces being sent by you to them, I would not have assumed you were the average tourist to Colorado who does in deed scoop up jars of mica because it glitters like gold. And, if someone told you they were going to process the material that may include gold, and that they were going to incinerate the material, it would have changed the answer completely. You could never get a flame hot enough at home to incinerate mica, where a proper processing plant certainly could. Had your original question pointed this out, your answers would be very different.

Posted 2009-08-08T19:37:17Z
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I felt my original question was a very concise, simple question, 'Did anyone know the temperature needed to incinerate mica?'.  This is all the infomation I needed at that point.  I am glad that you now have answered my question on this and I do appreciate that input.

Just to end this reply: I never asked what "alluvial" meant; I did not mean to insinuate that I thought "alluvial gold" was some special type of gold (I well know what the term "alluvial gold" means and reading other books, etc., the alluvial deposits are not limited to your comments as to how they are formed and I would advise the "others" that you are teaching with your "answers" to seek additional information).  Personally, I would like to say that your attitude in responding to my initial question about the burning temperature of mica appeared to be adversarial and not of a nature that would tend to lean people towards wanting a further relationship/communication with you.  You might want to listen to how you project your thoughts and hopefully find a wealth of benefits throughout your life in "hearing" what others are hearing when you communicate.  "Treat others as you would have them treat you", has been an important guide in my life personally as well as in business.  I admit that I do not always follow through with the concept and I apologize to you if my first reply was a bit aggresive.  There again, hear what you say.

Take care, Andrea

Posted 2009-08-09T20:35:21Z
 
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Thank you for the contact information.

Posted 2009-08-09T20:41:04Z

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